For those of you that are good a visualizing, I've always wanted to ask you: what does the visual in your mind's eye look like? Are you seeing in 2d, like a computer view? Or in 3D, like OTB? Does this change depending on which you are playing? What colors, what style of pieces, and so forth do you picture? Is there a certain visual that is easier for you to conjure up in your mind than others?
My visualisation tends to be in 2D, which is probably because it has been a while since I saw a physical chess board. As for colors/styles, I don't really see actual images of pieces in my head. If I really "see" anything at all, I would say it's just a few basic shapes that more or less resemble what an actual image of the piece would look like.
I just see diagrams
There are no colors, shapes or whatsoever. Just "functions" like "vectors" or something like that.
It's occurs when I dreaming
There is a way to test if someone has a picture in their mind. Ask them questions they could only answer if they were looking at an actual picture. Examples for a 2-d chess picture: How many balls are on the coronet of the Queen? How many black line segments are used in the image of the White Rook?
I cannot answer all these types of questions. Hence, I don't have a picture in my mind. Yet I can read moves for White and Black at the start of a game and then reason about where the pieces are and what roles they are playing. So I must have some internal representation of the positions. And that includes connections to chess ideas. Also, those positions are connected to other things stored in my mind. Opening names, famous games, certain players, etc.
I cannot answer all these types of questions. Hence, I don't have a picture in my mind. Yet I can read moves for White and Black at the start of a game and then reason about where the pieces are and what roles they are playing. So I must have some internal representation of the positions. And that includes connections to chess ideas. Also, those positions are connected to other things stored in my mind. Opening names, famous games, certain players, etc.
I always thought a coronet was a trumpet ... so my queen would be in a jazz band, preferably in New Orleans ... but at least its in 3D and with sound ... does that make it 4D ? is sound a dimension ? Agadmator would say "who knows such things?"
a cornet has a warmer sound. less brilliant sound. Like Miles Davis was actually trying to play the trumpet as if it were a cornet. My understanding. but I don't think I am way off. Also, why see the color of the dress, when all that matters is the geometric information about square positions for each chess person (on board) and where it can go on a grid. I doubt one need to view a physical manifestation of that, but actually anything that might help by recruiting motivating memories in support of holding that internal eye view, is not to dismiss, just not required. That is for the possibly common min visual, but obviously experience and knowledge would elaborate on that... This my guess from non-chess experience mostly and just reasoning with such knowledge applied to what I know of chess. Hypotheses all of it. but not random guess.
Edit: also just because someone has not a very deep future visualization, or not a solid visualization skill that can handle the whole board for big calculations, or without distorstion, does not mean that they don't visuallize, they do, just may have distorted visions, or foggy on some parts of board or depth, given the initial candidates considered perhaps. Is that me? .... possibly.... I definitely do not visualize the whole board without peeking often.... Yet even to consider the thought of a candidate move some visualisation of the successor position must be considered internally, since it is not on board before the thought.
Edit: also just because someone has not a very deep future visualization, or not a solid visualization skill that can handle the whole board for big calculations, or without distorstion, does not mean that they don't visuallize, they do, just may have distorted visions, or foggy on some parts of board or depth, given the initial candidates considered perhaps. Is that me? .... possibly.... I definitely do not visualize the whole board without peeking often.... Yet even to consider the thought of a candidate move some visualisation of the successor position must be considered internally, since it is not on board before the thought.
@DiCello said in #7:
> I always thought a coronet was a trumpet ... so my queen would be in a jazz band, preferably in New Orleans ... but at least its in 3D and with sound ... does that make it 4D ? is sound a dimension ? Agadmator would say "who knows such things?"
coronet: a small or relatively simple crown, especially as worn by lesser royalty and peers or peeresses.
cornet: a brass instrument resembling a trumpet but shorter and wider, played chiefly in bands..
> I always thought a coronet was a trumpet ... so my queen would be in a jazz band, preferably in New Orleans ... but at least its in 3D and with sound ... does that make it 4D ? is sound a dimension ? Agadmator would say "who knows such things?"
coronet: a small or relatively simple crown, especially as worn by lesser royalty and peers or peeresses.
cornet: a brass instrument resembling a trumpet but shorter and wider, played chiefly in bands..
that is picture one master level blindfold chess player gave on how he sees the board
note that no one can "see" the whole board but must focus on certain area. Just like you cannot analyze chess board situation without focusing on some point.
note that no one can "see" the whole board but must focus on certain area. Just like you cannot analyze chess board situation without focusing on some point.
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